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Sora Faux
You don't, just fix your problems that make you want to do that.
nono i'm just interested in the subject, i've seen people talk about it various times on this server
2:27 PM
"my host dissipated themselves"
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Yeah, unfortunately, I know a few people who did it
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KiTkAt( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧ 🌺 [Kaleido] BOT 8/13/2021 2:27 PM
easy peasy, pretend you don't exist for long enough
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Basically, you switch your identity permanently.
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and what are the effects of it? that's mainly what i'm interested in
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Deleted User 8/13/2021 2:28 PM
as nao says dissipating you as the host is permanently switching your identity (edited)
2:28 PM
so those are the effects
2:29 PM
mhmm, and host's identity has had whole life to develop
2:30 PM
usually mental health problems make it easier for people because as arseny mentioned the resistance plays a role and if someone feels they have nothing to lose then that makes it easier
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Deleted User 8/13/2021 2:37 PM
it feels more like how you felt before you were born
2:37 PM
as a tulpa
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ok thanks guys
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Systems that dissipated their hosts commonly report the host's traits cropping up in other headmates. I guess that's a side effect to consider. But, like, don't dissipate yourself
2:50 PM
I doubt it feels like being asleep, the body is still living it's life as the remaining headmates, and that's what it would feel like
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You would just think you are someone else.
2:51 PM
Oh, I mean how it would feel from the dissipated thoughtform's perspective
@OverSavior - jump I think this perspective is purely imaginary.
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A long kiss goodnight 8/13/2021 3:01 PM
Host ego death would be like switching and never being able to switch back because the host identity is gone. It would be like you forgot how to be someone, but that's what it's like for any kind of dissipation
3:02 PM
However, for Spirit, it seems like what little bits he didn't think were harmful he might have given to Gerodious.
3:02 PM
We haven't had a merge show Spirit's traits, hopefully that stays that way
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"Feel" is a function of awareness. Dissipated thoughtforms are not aware.
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I'm pretty sure you'd be able to switch back, and just choose not to
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Certainly. I think that the concept of dissipation is somewhat symbolic, in that unless you've truly forgotten the tulpa they are always present in the mind. But they take the form of knowledge, rather than thought until put back into practice.
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Certainly. I think that the concept of dissipation is somewhat symbolic, in that unless you've truly forgotten the tulpa they are always present in the mind. But they take the form of knowledge, rather than thought until put back into practice.
@Zen - jump Yeah, exactly. Dissipation is just a convenient symbol for us.
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Deleted User 8/13/2021 3:26 PM
if there is no headmate there is no perspective
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self dissipation
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Deleted User 8/13/2021 3:27 PM
sleeping without dreaming would be a good explanation how dormancy feels because it ends at one point
3:27 PM
dissipation is supposed to feel like you are not existing anymore (edited)
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Dormancy is often used to describe the space of not being aware while still being an active part of the host's life.
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Gray | Shadow System BOT 8/13/2021 3:29 PM
I can go dormant for limited stretches of time, but I'm not dead
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IE, when you're doing advanced math. Your tulpa is very likely not functioning at that time. I'd actively expect in those instances memories they may have are confabulated unless the individual is truly one of the rare super-multitasking people.
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Unless I'm asleep, I would probably stare at the math while mentally dying and waiting until it ends. But in case of our system life doesn't belong only to the host. It's our life, not "host's life"
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So I've heard the term "forwarding my senses" used here and there. Does it imply that a headmate not in front doesn't by default perceive the things you do, or is it more accurate that they do perceive what you perceive and that notion is more to the effect of actively dating their attention to it?
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that's first time i heard of it!
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Tulpa should be able to be aware of your senses by default
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i think it's a different way of saying that tulpa is co-conscious or aware?
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But doesn't have to care at given moment.
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Mine isn't
10:40 PM
I think whether this is the case is actually based on presumption.
10:41 PM
Though I do think if they're not linked to some sort of visualization or senses it means they're effectively in stasis, whether they're confabulating something or not.
10:41 PM
My tulpa only perceives via my senses according to them, whilst switched in and co-hosting.
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When tulpa is dormant, they are not aware not only of senses I guess
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So if you're passive forcing them they likely are aware of what you're seeing and reading, no additional "step" required?
10:44 PM
Is that your presumption?
10:45 PM
I actually think I prefer my way, because I think it makes them more naturally linked to visualizations of their form, which in turn gives them a greater sense of self and may help reinforce some hallucinatory effects based on them perceiving from their form's perspective.
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Zen
Is that your presumption?
I'm not sure. I don't really presume a lot, because I know very little.
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Well what makes sense to you? That they are starting off as this bodyless identity attached to your senses and perception, or that they are bound up in this mental form, which relies on visualized space to stay around, until such a time as they jump on in your perspective?
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My experience is that I can feel Yui when she's active and I imagine that she can do the same in return sense,see,taste etc.
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If I could choose, I'd say she was someone separate from me that utilizes my brain to continue existing, but most of what I read thus far points to the contrary
10:49 PM
I don't have any game of reference for a "visualized space" though so I can't really imagine that concept
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I'd honestly say the first is equally a presumption. But I'd forgotten you had aphantasia, so yeah it may make more sense to do the former just in terms of practicality. (edited)
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I liked the "software on a machine" analogy I used perviously, its easy to comprehend
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Obviously they're always running in your brain.
10:50 PM
This is fact
10:51 PM
But there's nothing saying a thoughtform has to experience the world from your perspective by default, in fact I think that usually they don't.
10:51 PM
I'm not sure if this is something you can do, but when I imagine characters, even autonomous ones. They're not aware of my senses by default.
10:51 PM
They're in whatever visualization they are in, and that's that.
10:52 PM
Also we ourselves don't really have perfect sensory awareness.
10:53 PM
How aware of the temperature are you right now if it's not abnormal? How does your mouth taste?
10:53 PM
Were you actually processing those things before I asked?
10:53 PM
I don't think we use sense until we direct attention to it. To a degree, anyway. (edited)
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Yeah, I know of that. A fan making noise, you won't hear after a while
10:54 PM
Just because I said so, you're now breathing manually (edited)
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Given the aphantasia though, it makes sense to link them with your perspective. Unless you want to try and use them as a lever for unlocking some visualization?
10:55 PM
I don't know how valid a way that is.
10:56 PM
Again I'd direct you probably towards mind's eye places to see if someone can better tutor you on that kind of thing if you genuinely want your tulpa and you to have a visualized space.
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aphantasiameow provides mind's eye courses
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h'wha, hook me up
11:01 PM
Finally getting home =)
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why r most tulpa hosts male 🤔
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Just a theory ig
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is it something to do with genes?
5:25 PM
or lonelyness?
5:26 PM
5:26 PM
hm?
5:27 PM
Maybe it's genes ?
5:27 PM
And men feeling lonely due to not finding a relationship etc
5:29 PM
Where was that census done ?
5:30 PM
Was this by tulpa Info?
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From what I understand, genes aren't at play when it comes to sex. It's primarily chromosomes.
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Who held the census,
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Good question. That seems to change every single time there's a census
5:32 PM
Shinyuu did one, but I'm not sure it was 2018 (it might have been, I forget)
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why are most people with tulpas 40 and above
5:32 PM
bruh
5:33 PM
nat ur like 18 right
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we should do another census
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Censuses are done every few years. It's not stopping
5:33 PM
There are just gaps
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ill help
5:34 PM
lol
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I haven't seen her talk about it recently
5:34 PM
I'm friends with her
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poochball
why are most people with tulpas 40 and above
Deleted User 8/15/2021 5:34 PM
idk where you got that from
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poochball
why are most people with tulpas 40 and above
Where are you getting this?
5:34 PM
Lol jynx
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the census
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